Comments on: Anyone out there needing to foam knew that Bayview was the place to be in the 1970s. Sure, it could still be, but the lack of communication back then (phones, scanners, etc) meant we had to go where the action was, and maybe pick up some information that might send us out on the prowl. Another drawing card was the CP/TH&B “Starlite”. I get to thinking this was the only regular mainline train that I never knew by any number. I just knew it by name. Did it have a number? Here is a solid set TH&B making its way back to Toronto from Hamilton with 76, 402 and 75 leading the way.

By: Larry Parks

Larry Parks — Sat, 04 May 2019 21:59:45 +0000

Thanks for the tube info Jakob.
Bad assumption on my part. You see red tubes, CP has them atop of their GP9′s also, which quickly leads to swappable.

By: awmooney

awmooney — Sat, 04 May 2019 20:24:48 +0000

John and all: Thanks for the wealth of information. All these years I have complained about the removal of the Beach Sub. I’m still convinced that somehow it could have been worked as an express by-pass, especially now that GO threatens to come to Niagara.

By: Jakob Mueller

Jakob Mueller — Sat, 04 May 2019 16:31:22 +0000

Regarding the torpedo tubes, 402 had some work done at Agincourt around this time, and the tubes got painted Action Red.

That style of tube wasn’t standard on CP. The roof-mounted air tanks that CP used on their passenger GP9s (8500-8529) were shorter and broader, because they had to sit farther forward, ahead of the dynamic brake blister.

The two pairs of long skinny torpedo tubes could also be seen in Canada on NYC/PC/CR 7439-7440, based in St. Thomas, and on any GTW 4900-series geep assigned to a run-through service.

By: John Eull

John Eull — Sat, 04 May 2019 13:15:48 +0000

Here’s a link to an employee timetable of the Oakville sub in 1961.
http://rollymartincountry.blogspot.com/2016/06/cnr-1982-bayview-go-trains-and-1961.html

I agree, great shot Arnold!

By: CN9317

CN9317 — Sat, 04 May 2019 13:08:23 +0000

Arnold, operating rules are a fascinating subject and these days you can find both the current CROR (Canadian Rail Operating Rules) and the old Uniform Code of Operating Rules (in effect at the time of your photo) on line. Good chance that you could find scans of employee timetables as well!

By: awmooney

awmooney — Sat, 04 May 2019 13:03:04 +0000

CN9317: Thanks for the observation. Never had an employee timetable never really knew the status. Since it ran daily for a number of years I did not think of it as “extra”. It was much more ‘regular’ than the scheduled trains.

By: Todd Steinman

Todd Steinman — Sat, 04 May 2019 11:40:03 +0000

Great shot Arnold….such an historic photo, showing what once was and not just the TH & B. But how any railfan could go anywhere to get a photo…and being safe while doing so.

By: CN9317

CN9317 — Sat, 04 May 2019 00:55:14 +0000

Regarding the “extra” question, since it wasn’t a scheduled train shown in the (employee) timetable…not a first, second, third, or fourth class train…the Starlight was an extra and had to display signals (flags)!

By: awmooney

awmooney — Fri, 03 May 2019 18:17:31 +0000

Thanks, Marcus, for the compliment. Your cheque will be in the mail.

By: Marcus Stevens

Marcus Stevens — Fri, 03 May 2019 18:07:31 +0000

Fantastic shot as always!