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	<title>Comments on: The following caption probably needs adjustments and corrections:  This is a Dain City-bound train running over the CN Cayuga Sub which at the time shared the route under the Welland Canal with the CP Hamilton sub., that shiny track on the left side closest to Hwy 58A. The image is looking East from the Welland Canal.  The NS operated an Intermodal Terminal at Dain City from roughly 1973 to 1998. Containers from the American west coast arrived at Dain to be unloaded and transported by road using Tallman Trucking,  to Toronto. In mid-1998 the notice that the terminal was to be closed and by the end of the year it was gone. Residents of the village were pleased; the racket at the terminal had annoyed them for years. Signal bridge seen in the background alerted me this train was coming; I thought it usually ran near sundown, so this was a lucky catch. The government project to run the rail lines under the canal @ 1973 was an exceedingly expensive undertaking; unfortunately rail traffic has been on decline here ever since. The middle track has been lifted, the signal bridge redundant, and only the CP track sees any regular traffic.</title>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Host</title>
		<link>http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=24525#comment-31113</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen C. Host</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2019 00:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snake: Steel Steve. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snake: Steel Steve. <img src='http://www.railpictures.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Snake2</title>
		<link>http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=24525#comment-31106</link>
		<dc:creator>Snake2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is ....Stephen &quot;C&quot; Host....?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is &#8230;.Stephen &#8220;C&#8221; Host&#8230;.?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Host</title>
		<link>http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=24525#comment-31100</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen C. Host</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2019 00:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arnold, it would take a book and even then, i&#039;m no expert - just taken some of this in over some 17 years..

I met a kid today, when I mentioned who Greg McDonnell was didn&#039;t know who he was... I asked - don&#039;t you buy books? Nope. I don&#039;t - he said.

My god. These kids have no idea of what happened prior to the Internet basically..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arnold, it would take a book and even then, i&#8217;m no expert &#8211; just taken some of this in over some 17 years..</p>
<p>I met a kid today, when I mentioned who Greg McDonnell was didn&#8217;t know who he was&#8230; I asked &#8211; don&#8217;t you buy books? Nope. I don&#8217;t &#8211; he said.</p>
<p>My god. These kids have no idea of what happened prior to the Internet basically..</p>
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		<title>By: awmooney</title>
		<link>http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=24525#comment-31095</link>
		<dc:creator>awmooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2019 19:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Host, all this rail information you and some others post should be condensed into a separate &quot;Railfan Primer&quot; section on RP so that all of us could access it rather than just the few that receive responses regarding this photo. Many members of RP have never known what you just posted, and guys like me tend to forget what we did know.............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Host, all this rail information you and some others post should be condensed into a separate &#8220;Railfan Primer&#8221; section on RP so that all of us could access it rather than just the few that receive responses regarding this photo. Many members of RP have never known what you just posted, and guys like me tend to forget what we did know&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Host</title>
		<link>http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=24525#comment-31078</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen C. Host</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2019 01:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, the regulatory framework for shortlines simply did not exist in the timeframe you speak of. The act came into effect in 1996 and the shortlines came as fast as railways could give them out, it takes time to work out deals, 1997, 1998 and 1999 were prolific times for Shortlines. Prior to that, it was a hot mess.

The Central Western (1986 - Tom Payne) and GEXR (1992 - Railtex) were major efforts, test beds if you will, starting a shortline was a giantic effort back then, and took a lot of government intervention and a boatload of work on the part of the pioneers of the industry and government to see them through. Plus change in government delayed it all by a few years due to labour laws.. (Documented in Thorning/Hooton Rails to Goderich book)

But some of the Shortline pioneers, including OSR&#039;s Jeff Willsie and even Trillium&#039;s Wayne Ettinger - which were not granted shortlines until AFTER the act - were pushing for the deregulated framework prior to enactment in 1996 (and forming their own Shortlines by means of acts of parliament!). Witness that Trillium&#039;s parent company is ultimately called the &quot;Caledonia and Hamilton Southern Railway&quot; - do you want to bet what Wayne was looking to capture when he formed it in 1994? Probably the very line you speak of and/or the Hagersville!

Then the explosion of shortlines occurred.. and brings us to today - where 21 years later, as these leases expire, we&#039;re seeing churn as agreements are re-negotiated, cancelled, or changed to new operators.

There&#039;s also major politics involved - CN wanted to shed lines, but also you can bet their dollar they wanted to shed NS too. Just took much longer than they thought... NS&#039;s iron clad agreement at least forced CN to give them another route.. you&#039;ll never see agreements like that again!

But ultimately, look at the new elevators on GEXR/CN in Breslau, Shakespeare, and on the Goderich sub - this is business that was once north on the Branches now moved south. Takes a while but it will move to rail eventually, CN knows this... just takes 10 to 20 years..

More recently, the CASO abandonment of 10 miles from Fargo to Ridgetown - which should have been kept - the place was shipping 20 cars a week (From St. Thomas 40 miles away), instead could have been done for 10 miles ex Fargo witch would likely still be profitable, but they ripped &#039;er up. Would have made more sense to keep that and do Blenheim along with it, but the timing didn&#039;t work out as CSX still owned some of the track needed to make it work out. Wonder where South West AG is shipping to now. There&#039;s dozens of these ag customers now without direct rail, but most were very infrequent. Ridgetown was one of the more frequent at the time (2005).

Feel free to discuss/negate/add - just my two cents :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, the regulatory framework for shortlines simply did not exist in the timeframe you speak of. The act came into effect in 1996 and the shortlines came as fast as railways could give them out, it takes time to work out deals, 1997, 1998 and 1999 were prolific times for Shortlines. Prior to that, it was a hot mess.</p>
<p>The Central Western (1986 &#8211; Tom Payne) and GEXR (1992 &#8211; Railtex) were major efforts, test beds if you will, starting a shortline was a giantic effort back then, and took a lot of government intervention and a boatload of work on the part of the pioneers of the industry and government to see them through. Plus change in government delayed it all by a few years due to labour laws.. (Documented in Thorning/Hooton Rails to Goderich book)</p>
<p>But some of the Shortline pioneers, including OSR&#8217;s Jeff Willsie and even Trillium&#8217;s Wayne Ettinger &#8211; which were not granted shortlines until AFTER the act &#8211; were pushing for the deregulated framework prior to enactment in 1996 (and forming their own Shortlines by means of acts of parliament!). Witness that Trillium&#8217;s parent company is ultimately called the &#8220;Caledonia and Hamilton Southern Railway&#8221; &#8211; do you want to bet what Wayne was looking to capture when he formed it in 1994? Probably the very line you speak of and/or the Hagersville!</p>
<p>Then the explosion of shortlines occurred.. and brings us to today &#8211; where 21 years later, as these leases expire, we&#8217;re seeing churn as agreements are re-negotiated, cancelled, or changed to new operators.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also major politics involved &#8211; CN wanted to shed lines, but also you can bet their dollar they wanted to shed NS too. Just took much longer than they thought&#8230; NS&#8217;s iron clad agreement at least forced CN to give them another route.. you&#8217;ll never see agreements like that again!</p>
<p>But ultimately, look at the new elevators on GEXR/CN in Breslau, Shakespeare, and on the Goderich sub &#8211; this is business that was once north on the Branches now moved south. Takes a while but it will move to rail eventually, CN knows this&#8230; just takes 10 to 20 years..</p>
<p>More recently, the CASO abandonment of 10 miles from Fargo to Ridgetown &#8211; which should have been kept &#8211; the place was shipping 20 cars a week (From St. Thomas 40 miles away), instead could have been done for 10 miles ex Fargo witch would likely still be profitable, but they ripped &#8216;er up. Would have made more sense to keep that and do Blenheim along with it, but the timing didn&#8217;t work out as CSX still owned some of the track needed to make it work out. Wonder where South West AG is shipping to now. There&#8217;s dozens of these ag customers now without direct rail, but most were very infrequent. Ridgetown was one of the more frequent at the time (2005).</p>
<p>Feel free to discuss/negate/add &#8211; just my two cents <img src='http://www.railpictures.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jknott86</title>
		<link>http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=24525#comment-31069</link>
		<dc:creator>jknott86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2019 18:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome shot.

I&#039;ve read that report regarding the objections to the abandonment of the Cayuga in the past. One has to wonder if that  stretch of the Cayuga to Nelles Corners may have survived if CN decided to lease the Hagersville out to a shortline sooner. For those who may not know, Armstrong still receives hopper loads which are transloaded at the elevator in Hagersville.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome shot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read that report regarding the objections to the abandonment of the Cayuga in the past. One has to wonder if that  stretch of the Cayuga to Nelles Corners may have survived if CN decided to lease the Hagersville out to a shortline sooner. For those who may not know, Armstrong still receives hopper loads which are transloaded at the elevator in Hagersville.</p>
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		<title>By: rlk1752</title>
		<link>http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=24525#comment-23370</link>
		<dc:creator>rlk1752</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 03:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:

There was a customer at Nelles Corners who put up a pretty good fight to keep his rail service. The CTA ordered CN to service him from the Hagersville Sub for one year past the order date for the rest of the line. True to form, CN ordered an extra &quot;B559&quot; every Sunday to run from Brantford to Nelles Corners via Garnet to do this customer only! 

See here if you want more info:

https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/870-r-1995</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:</p>
<p>There was a customer at Nelles Corners who put up a pretty good fight to keep his rail service. The CTA ordered CN to service him from the Hagersville Sub for one year past the order date for the rest of the line. True to form, CN ordered an extra &#8220;B559&#8243; every Sunday to run from Brantford to Nelles Corners via Garnet to do this customer only! </p>
<p>See here if you want more info:</p>
<p><a href="https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/870-r-1995" rel="nofollow">https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/870-r-1995</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Host</title>
		<link>http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=24525#comment-23331</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen C. Host</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2017 00:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PRH Curious why did the Cayuga to Jarvis survive one more year than the rest? Thank you again for the great information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PRH Curious why did the Cayuga to Jarvis survive one more year than the rest? Thank you again for the great information.</p>
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		<title>By: David Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=24525#comment-14753</link>
		<dc:creator>David Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2016 19:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incredible stories, everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incredible stories, everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: awmooney</title>
		<link>http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=24525#comment-14703</link>
		<dc:creator>awmooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2016 22:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the compliment, Mr. H., and that great run-down on what is what around Dain. It was just one of those places we seemed to ignore over the years...........and GLS to be thanked here as well.........he kept notes on everything, and I mean everything....so #146 it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the compliment, Mr. H., and that great run-down on what is what around Dain. It was just one of those places we seemed to ignore over the years&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..and GLS to be thanked here as well&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;he kept notes on everything, and I mean everything&#8230;.so #146 it is.</p>
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