Railpictures.ca - David Brook Photo: There were brief times in the early 90′s when you might catch power from 3 builders on the same train.Here GE C40 2401 leads M636 2319 and 2 unknown GTW SD40′s making the turn onto the Dundas Sub at less than the stated 15mph. The train had waited at Bayview for a few minutes to be scooped by 239; the “Laser” to Chicago. Those were the days. | Railpictures.ca – Canadian Railway Photography

There were brief times in the early 90's when you might catch power from 3 builders on the same train.Here GE C40 2401 leads M636 2319 and 2 unknown GTW SD40's making the turn onto the Dundas Sub at less than the stated 15mph. The train had waited at Bayview for a few minutes to be scooped by 239; the "Laser" to Chicago. Those were the days.

Caption: There were brief times in the early 90's when you might catch power from 3 builders on the same train.Here GE C40 2401 leads M636 2319 and 2 unknown GTW SD40's making the turn onto the Dundas Sub at less than the stated 15mph. The train had waited at Bayview for a few minutes to be scooped by 239; the "Laser" to Chicago. Those were the days.

Photographer:	David Brook [772] (more) (contact)
Date:	11/1992 (search)
Railway:	Canadian National (search)
Reporting Marks:	CN 2401 (search)
Train Symbol:	Not Provided
Subdivision/SNS:	CN Bayview Junction (search)
City/Town:	Hamilton (search)
Province:	Ontario (search)
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8 Comments

awmooney

July 26, 2018 at 3:03 pm

Nice power!!! So it is 1992 and the hillside is already getting overgrown………
ngineered4u

July 26, 2018 at 5:09 pm

FYI the speed there was never 15mph. Was at 30 then. Now at 40. The Cowpath is 15mph
awmooney

July 26, 2018 at 6:00 pm

I thought it was about 15 MPH myself. And I remember occasionally a guy sitting there with a ‘radar gun’ or something noting speeds back in the ’70s.
ngineered4u

July 26, 2018 at 6:27 pm

I can check my old timetables but i can’t say i remember it being that slow. Especially when they need to take a run at the “hill”
awmooney

July 26, 2018 at 6:54 pm

Okay. it is just that I can vividly recall those old F units sounding like rattle traps as they accelerated into the curve. As in like they might cough and die before they got anywhere. Would have made a great video for VIA travel back then……..NOT.
Dave Brook

July 26, 2018 at 7:36 pm

I pulled out my old 1985 timetable, and 0.0 to 0.5 on the Dundas Sub shows 15mph.I don’t remember hearing much about stalls, although the slag train we tried to take to Paris went into emergency 4 different times climbing the hill. I wish I’d taken my camera to work in those days, but it just wasn’t done…or I was chicken.
ngineered4u

July 26, 2018 at 7:59 pm

Thanks Dave, saved me having to look it up. 0.-0.5 is on the west end of the S curve. The trains were not as heavy then and of course they would just put all kinds of power on those trains back then.
John Eull

July 26, 2018 at 9:39 pm

Many Railpictures.ca members will recall that trains to and from the Dundas sub received “red over green” signals–”Slow to Clear” (Slow speed of 15 mph through turnouts and then Clear/track speed). Circa 1997, DV plates were place and Diverging Speed (25 mph) was authorized (presumably after the turnouts were upgraded). After the relay- based controlled location was replaced for the third track (fall 2006), speeds were increase to what they are today.

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