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Many years ago happened upon this old CP Service car parked on a siding at Alliston. Inscription ID was 411250 and a 'W78' sloppily added, and "Cook, Diner and Sleeper" below 'Service Car' on the sides. Perhaps one of the sleuths on this site can come up with origin and demise of this old heavyweight. Thanks!
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Caption: Many years ago happened upon this old CP Service car parked on a siding at Alliston. Inscription ID was 411250 and a 'W78' sloppily added, and "Cook, Diner and Sleeper" below 'Service Car' on the sides. Perhaps one of the sleuths on this site can come up with origin and demise of this old coach. Thanks!

Photographer:
A.W. Mooney [2398] (more) (contact)
Date: 06/15/1979 (search)
Railway: Canadian Pacific (search)
Reporting Marks: CP 411250 (search)
Train Symbol: nil (search)
Subdivision/SNS: CP MacTier Sub. (search)
City/Town: Alliston (search)
Province: Ontario (search)
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5 Comments
  1. Todd Steinman
    July 9, 2026 at 8:45 am

    They certainly don’t make these like they used to!

  2. terry.oshell
    July 9, 2026 at 11:00 am

    I remember those former coaches well working Student Summer Jobs on the Extra Gangs at CN.

  3. MrDan
    July 9, 2026 at 12:43 pm

    The windows suggest possibly an old T-series sleeper. Sister car 411249 was ex-”Trapper”, this one may have been converted around the same time.

  4. Paul O'Shell
    July 9, 2026 at 11:21 pm

    What a great well-lit shot of that old heavyweight boarding car!
    My records indicate CP 411250, CP Car Type Code WBS Boarding Car, is ex-Explorer, Pullman built 8-1-2 Sleeper.
    It was converted to OCS Gang Service in August 1959.
    Like Terry, I remember living in those old cars in 1969, 1970, and 1971 while working as a summer student on various CN extra gangs.
    They were so hot in the summer!

  5. awmooney
    July 10, 2026 at 7:52 am

    Thanks, Paul. Just found this slide the other day. I can only imagine the HEAT in one of those heavyweights. Zero insulation, I’m sure.
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